clkelley39 991 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 I noticed on a few on the Erotica pages on Discogs, there's mention in the notes that "Rain" contains a sample of "Perfect Way" by Scritti Politti. Here's an example: https://www.discogs.com/Madonna-Erotica/release/78689 and another: https://www.discogs.com/Madonna-Erotica/release/571923. This is the first I'm hearing of this. Is it even true? There's no mention of it on the Wikipedia pages for Erotica or "Rain". And even though I don't have my copy of Erotica handy, I don't remember ever reading about it in the liner notes. Does anyone have any insight into this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayPause 2,684 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Never heard of this. It was never mentioned on the liner notes in the original album releases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madgefan 10,150 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Judge yourselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NothingReallyMatters 634 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 1 hour ago, madgefan said: Judge yourselves at 0:10-0:12 the drums were sampled throughout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymad 10,385 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Interesting. I’m usually quite good at catching things like this but I don’t hear it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unruhe 1,433 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 What a finding!! it's so subtle!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redha DBL 7,349 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 11 hours ago, NothingReallyMatters said: at 0:10-0:12 the drums were sampled throughout Yes !!! Absolutely ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clkelley39 991 Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 I've been playing drums and percussion for nearly 20 years and can tell you without a doubt that the drum fill at 0:10 in "Perfect Way" is most certainly NOT the same drum fill used in "Rain". Different drums used. Different timing. Different number of beats. And besides, drums/percussion cannot be licensed as samples. kesiak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathproof 10,608 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Maybe it’s interpolated and played in a different speed? A. A. Aardvark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister_Pop 813 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Yes, it sounds familiar, but I wouldn't labelled it a sample ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clkelley39 991 Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 38 minutes ago, deathproof said: Maybe it’s interpolated and played in a different speed? I’m not great at explaining music concepts because I haven’t had much formal musical training, but the two drum fills just... aren’t... the same. They're just different from each other. (Why don’t I have the words!?!?) My drums aren’t at my home right now, but if they were I would post videos of me playing each beat. The “Perfect Way” fill includes toms, snare, kick drum and hi-hat. The “Rain” fill is just toms, and is much simpler. “Perfect Way” is longer and with a longer pause in the middle. I think a big reason as to why drums and beats can’t be copyrighted and licensed as samples is because it’s so hard to tell two recordings of drums apart from each other. If I record myself hitting a couple drums, and you record yourself hitting a couple drums, and happen to mic it and mix it similarly, how could we ever discern if they were the same recording? It’s not like melody or harmony which is much more nuisanced and unique. I think that's what may be leading to the confusion here. It sounds like the two drum recordings are just similarly mixed/engineered. Mister_Pop, Debrah and kesiak 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathproof 10,608 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 1 hour ago, clkelley39 said: I’m not great at explaining music concepts because I haven’t had much formal musical training, but the two drum fills just... aren’t... the same. They're just different from each other. (Why don’t I have the words!?!?) My drums aren’t at my home right now, but if they were I would post videos of me playing each beat. The “Perfect Way” fill includes toms, snare, kick drum and hi-hat. The “Rain” fill is just toms, and is much simpler. “Perfect Way” is longer and with a longer pause in the middle. I think a big reason as to why drums and beats can’t be copyrighted and licensed as samples is because it’s so hard to tell two recordings of drums apart from each other. If I record myself hitting a couple drums, and you record yourself hitting a couple drums, and happen to mic it and mix it similarly, how could we ever discern if they were the same recording? It’s not like melody or harmony which is much more nuisanced and unique. I think that's what may be leading to the confusion here. It sounds like the two drum recordings are just similarly mixed/engineered. I think this thread, is using the word “sample” very loosely, And not in a literal legal sense. More of a reference as to where the sound is coming from. There are plenty of drums within Madonna songs that “sample” other songs. Of course they are not credited, I’m guessing for the reason you mentioned. Plus a sample is lifting the exact same piece of music from one song, and putting it into something new. It’s obvious that a lot of these Madonna songs, they re-recorded the “sample” to either try and mimic it, or just play it new way. For example: Hot Pants by Bobby Byrd, the drums can be heard in Frozen. Can also be heard more prominently during the bridge of Rescue Me. Keep on Moving by Soul II Soul, the repetition background beat is replayed in a faster speed and used as the drums for Bye Bye Baby. Feel Good by Fancy, the drums are replayed and used in a different speed for the William Orbit remix of JML Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debrah 1,586 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 RAIN is one of the only song, if not THE only song on Erotica that's not sampling any pre-existing track. @clkelley39 is absolutely right, these drums are nothing alike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madgefan 10,150 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 I do find the drums a little bit similar but definitely not the same. So, I support the idea is not sampling. By the way, I can't stand that man's voice. No doubt I always skipped the track included in the WTG OST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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