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If truth be told there was actually more input from Madonna around Celebration than the IC. Four songs recorded for Celebration were released in some format and both singles were performed on MDNA and the former showcased on S&S2.
Madonna ducked out after Justify on IC and Warner UK resorted to reissuing Holiday, Holiday Collection and Crazy For You to generate promotion. The Immaculate artwork was made from reused photos from the Blond Ambition tour book. At least Celebration had a specialist commissioned artwork by a famous artist.
That’s just the tea. Are there even any interviews anywhere if Madonna promoting or speaking about The Immaculate Collection? I genuinely can’t think of any.
Any hits album released at your controversial and commercial peak with a headline grabbing video like Justify is gonna be more essential and in the moment. The facts remain that Celebration Is the Immaculate minus Rescue plus 19 more hits. Released nearly 20 years later. Who ever thought that would be possible in 1990 let alone 92-3. Celebration is a hell of a flex and in truth contains four of the songs many wished has been included on IC.
Everybody, Burning Up, Dress You Up, Who’s That Girl.
Honestly I’d it had included shorter edits ( no one needs six plus minutes of Holiday).
True Blue, Deeper & Deeper, The Power Of Goodbye and Give It 2 Me instead of Miles Away it would pretty much be perfect and hugely comprehensive.
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Yea possibly. Music revenue was shocking and the tour and merch era were about to begin. She doesn't really do legacy stuff but I do believe she would have wanted to wrap up her longest and only record deal with at least some consideration. Hence the four new tracks recorded and specially commissioned artwork. This wasn't a GHV2 situation.
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I mean I love me some Who's That Girl but Julie from Costco is not staning. She's a Borderline kind of girl as much as I don't care for it much myself. I also really think 4 Minutes has not been canonised the way some of her other singles have but no doubt it was a smasher at the time and her last genuine big hitter ...but It's dominance today really is mostly down to Justin and to some degree Timbalands streaming power. It's the only song on the list with triple artists which disproportionally inflates its streams. Julie would much prefer Sorry or Dress You Up or even Don't Tell Me. I often think if she listed Take A Bow as a duet with Babyface its streams would go through the roof. The tags matter.
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In terms of what the general public would expect:
In terms of a banging collection that would keep you bopping along (maybe except Frozen)
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I know I compiled a double disc of her biggest streaming singles but the truth is streaming is a self fulfilling prophecy.
Celebration is the go to album for the general public. Outside of that it’s This Is Madonna.
There are no songs from Erotica on This Is Madonna apart from Rain. Which is no doubt why it’s her most streamed track from the album.
Erotica the lead single doesn’t even appear on the list. People also don’t listen to entire playlists or albums so streams always fall to the front loaded tracks.
This also probably accounts for Jumps great streams.
True Blue and Confessions are the only albums where all the singles are featured. (Plus the only non single on the playlist Forbidden Love)Artists literally have the ability to rewrite the history of their own singles in many ways and this can be done by streaming playlists.
Do Deeper and Deeper suffers from not being on either This Is Madonna or Celebration when it’s 100% one of her best tracks and a clear fan favourite.
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12 hours ago, McDonna said:
Totally agree! While a lot of us fans know Deeper and Deeper is an essential hit of hers, but most of the GP wouldn't remember as much as most of the other biggest hits on there. At this time, CELEBRATION is that essential collection that really defines all her eras pretty well and include the major hits people love to hear from her. But like you said IC is the iconic Bible of a Greatest Hits if you aren't looking for anything beyond Justify My Love!
You are of course correct. Immaculate is perfection but you can't really compare 26 tracks with 17 so Celebration really does win hands down. It is actually Immaculate collection (minus Rescue Me) plus another 19 tracks so it's hard to argue otherwise.
What local would pick up a modern day Madonna hits collection and not expect to hear
- Frozen
- Ray Of Light
- Music
- Hung Up
maybe even Take A Bow stateside.
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Correct answer: She is yet to release a definitive package and there isn't even a single disc for the casuals to even cover the titan signature songs in her catalogue. I think streaming has been around long enough now to give us a good metric of which songs from her catalogue have stood the test of time
Single Disc - Streaming dominance
- Holiday
- Like A Virgin
- Material Girl
- Crazy For You
- Into The Groove
- Live To Tell
- Papa Don't Preach
- La Isla Bonita
- Like A Prayer
- Vogue
- Take A Bow
- Frozen
- American Pie
- Music
- Hung Up
- Sorry
- 4 Minutes
- Bitch Im Madonna
- Popular
Double Disc - Streaming dominance
- Holiday
- Borderline
- Like A Virgin
- Material Girl
- Crazy For You
- Into The Groove
- Live To Tell
- Papa Don't Preach
- True Blue
- La Isla Bonita
- Who's That Girl
- Like A Prayer
- Express Yourself
- Vogue
- Justify My Love
- Take A Bow
- Don't Cry For Me Argentina
- Frozen
- Ray Of Light
- The Power Of Goodbye
- American Pie
- Music
- Die Another Day
- Hung Up
- Sorry
- Jump
- 4 Minutes
- Give It 2 Me
- Celebration
- Give Me All Your Luvin
- Girl Gone Wild
- Living For Love
- Ghosttown
- Bitch Im Madonna
- Medellin
- Popular
In the streaming age songs that fail to make the cut (in order)
- open Your Heart
- Don't Tell Me
- Justify My Love
- Get Together
- Beautiful Stranger
- Hollywood
- Rain
- Secret
- Dress You Up
- I'll Remember
- Cherish
- You'll See
- Miles Away
- Burning Up
- This Used To Be My Playground
- Deeper & Deeper
- Drowned World
- What It Feels Like For A Girl
- Angel
- Lucky Star
- Revolver
- Human Nature
- Erotica
I'd truly love it if there was a site that combined like for like unit sales / digital sales and stream equivalent so we could get a real picture but in the streaming age these are her biggest hits. Of course we have to adjust for streaming being the primary platform for anything released 2012 onwards really.
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I think they're on to something. She's obviously realised her artistic vision now in arenas in her two major markets. I think we'll see an updated even more hits heavy version of the show that will be scaled way back on a technical basis but will enable her to do some major festivals around the globe. That way she's just paying for dancers and crews to be moved around and the festival promoter takes the bulk of the production hit. Much of Celebration would not translate well to Glastonbury. The 80's opening section would be perfect and the Vogue / Don't Tell Me / Bitch part would too. The Like A Prayer Erotica section would need to be vastly reworked and Bedtime Story / Ray Of Light completely reconfigured / rethought.
add in Music, Material Girl, Express Yourself, Frozen and Papa Don't Preach / Crazy For You & Like A Virgin proper and you've got a killer GP show.
Mother & Father / Bad Girl / Bedtime Story may need standing down for a GO festival tour. She could possibly squeeze another 80's classic in the nightclub scene.
Think Sticky & Sweet 2. A few changes to setlist and some refigured numbers could really seal the deal for her in terms of the GP and build a strong base for her Biopic and the Expended Albums schedule.
But yeah I can't see them launching a Like A virgin 40 with zero songs from the album performed on the setlist.
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The song is dog shit Jackson and Richie at their most insipid. Cindy was only interested because she'd heard the British Feed The World and thought it was a killer song with real emotional content. When she heard We Are The World she thought it was naff. It's also a case of misogyny really. There were lots of raspy male voices but with Cindy and Madonna it was one of the other. Madonna had a great rock voice too not just pop. But Im glad she missed it tbh.
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3 minutes ago, dave2290 said:
The Met gala look is 100% one of her finest looks ever. How I wish it had served as a look for a video or single artwork. top tier.
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Weird that they've bothered with Vinyl only remixes for this. Is this the first time in ages since? Were Like A Prayer the last ones? We didn't get Peggys Fever Mixes in the end.
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Pop / dance / house.
I wouldn’t mind a bit of sythnwave or electro 80’s from her.
What I don’t want is Garage / drum and bass / trance resurgence.
I think she’s missed the boat on alt rnb tho I’d have loved a Bedtime Stories 2.
Or rock. I’m still waiting for her punk rock record.
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Oh my god the Mariah remix is so chaotic she sounds like a boiling kettle. Absolutely awful and I adore both artists. Im howling at just how bad it is.
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They both did really well because they were soundtrack songs that were never gonna be on a Madonna album so fans who only really bought her albums were gonna have to buy it to own it. See also Into The Groove / Beautiful Stranger / American Pie / Die Another Day.
She really benefited from soundtrack songs in the first half of her career and they always did well because stand alone etc.
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I thought This Used To Be My Playground was about her looking back at New York once she moved to LA with Sean. Guess I was wrong huh.
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12 hours ago, Would You Like To Try said:
I think many on this list are kind of wrong lol
Ava max (speculated to drop late 24)
Ariana - (Eternal Sunshine drops March 24)
Dua Lipa - (2 singles and rumours of a June drop after Taylor / Ari / Bey)
Pet shop boys ( New Album Nonetheless drops April 26th)
Kylie - Again were either in for another Deluxe with a handful of additional tracks but she is also keen to crack on with the next album quickly and build on success of Padam and possible US tour)
Jessie ware (I know for a fact that the Deluxe for That! Feels Good (April 23) has been shelved and they're cracking on with a new album to piggyback of the success of her last era. With stuff recorded for the shelved deluxe done already and new material in the back with named collaborators. I wouldn't rule out a 4th quarter release..a single at the very least.)
Miley Cyrus - Already working on album since September 2023 rumoured for 24 release. https://www.capitalfm.com/news/music/miley-cyrus-new-music-album/
Billie Eilish - Will release new album in 2024 https://www.capitalfm.com/news/billie-eilish-when-third-album/
Gwen Stefani - New single Purple Iris' just dropped has said she wants to release new album in 2024 - https://www.nbcnews.com/video/gwen-stefani-reveals-she-wants-to-release-a-new-album-in-2024-201100357754
Nelly Furtado - Has 100 songs for new album is currently whittling down to 20 for 2024 release.
Justin Timberlake - New Album - Everything I Thought It Was March 15th 2024
Shaznay Lewis - 2 Singles and album "Pages" May 17th 2024
Xtina - Excited to release new album https://virginradio.co.uk/music/133594/christina-aguilera-is-so-excited-to-release-a-new-album
Sheryl Crow - New album Evolution March 29th 2024
J-Lo - New Album This Is Me Now - released last Friday
Lady Gaga - LG7 currently being teased on her insta. Website being updated New album launched around the hype of The Joker film release.
Sugababes - Tease eclictic sounding new album in 2024 https://www.hellomagazine.com/celebrities/509068/sugababes-headline-secret-london-concert-comeback-exclusive/
Katy Perry - Finally handed her notice in on American Idol and set to release her most personal album in 2024 https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/katy-perry-new-album-2024-tour-b2470593.html
The rumours
Britney rumours - This is the biggest ask. She said she'll never return but I think she may
Mariah Rumours (Mariah said new music is "on the Horizon" in November)
Beyoncé part 2 rumours has already been announced since I made this post (new album 29-03-24)
even Janet is going back out on tour again with rumours of Europe and god willing new music finally
Add Madonna to that mix and we eating good as hell.
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A face!!! ❤️
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I’ll Remember and Playground are more Erotica era for my money. Bookends. But also both are neither so.
I wonder if anymore songs were written for the soundtracks. We never really hear of those outside of DSS & Vision quest.
It’s an area we never really dive into as fans really and there could be a wealth of stuff we just having really spent anytime thinking about. I always wonder if there were more written for WTG, A League Of Their Own. Insane that Shanghai Surprize never had a Madonna pitch after the success of Into The Groove. Specifically as George Harrison was a musician himself.
Body Of Evidence. Bloodhounds Of Broadway was always a film I thought she’d pop a song on.
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Honestly the mini disc was the very best new format. The disc format itself looked a little ugly but it was using way less plastic and no scratches great for storage.
The problem was it came too soon after the CD went mainstream and they were priced too high. People had only just upgraded their systems and collections.
Was always the superior format for me.
I’d love a newer version of the Mini Disc that was a bit more chunky and retro feeling. Not like an 8 track but something proper 70’s and a double sided reader and increased capacity. Like those 100 minute CD’s that came out. Hi MD looked promising. I think they’d fly off the shelves.
An artists catalogue on one disc.
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Sure your feet move you around the stage but dance is about the expression made by the whole body. Otherwise wed just be Irish dancing. and nobody wants that to be sure to be sure.
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It would also have taken less than a day to change the forthcoming Celebration track list and update it to tie in with the tour.
Side A - 21:42
- Hung Up* - 3:23
- Music - 3:46
- Vogue* - 4:23
- 4 Minutes - 3:10
- Holiday* - 3:52
- Like A Virgin - 3:08
Side B - 21:53
- Everybody* - 3:57
- Into The Groove* - 4:09
- Express Yourself - 4:04
- Like A Prayer* - 5:07
- Ray Of Light - 4:36
Side C - 21:47
- Open Your Heart - 3:49
- Sorry - 3:59
- Secret - 4:28
- Erotica - 4:34
- Justify My Love - 4:54
Side D - 21:54
- Borderline - 3:58
- Cherish - 3:51
- Bad Girl - 4:46
- Take A Bow* - 4:29
- Don't Cry For Me Argentina - 4:50
Side E - 20.43
- Dress You Up - 3:58
- Material Girl* - 3:53
- La Isla Bonita* - 3:48
- Human Nature - 4:30
- Rain - 4:34
Side F - 21:56
- Papa Don't Preach* - 3:47
- Lucky Star - 3:39
- Burning Up - 3:43
- Crazy For You - 3:44.
- Revolver - 3:40
- GMAYL - 3.23
Side G - 21.49
- Frozen* - 5:09
- Nothing Really Matters - 3:44
- Bedtime Story - 4:08
- Don't Tell Me - 4:11
- Live To Tell* - 4:37
Side H - 22.17
- Beautiful Stranger* - 3:58
- Die Another Day* - 3:27
- Hollywood- 3:42
- Who's That Girl - 3:59
- Bitch I'm Madonna - 3:37
- Celebration - 3:34
* denotes shorter available edit used
This would still fit on 4 discs and contain the eight main singles from The Celebration Tour that don't feature on the compilation.
22 mins is the maximum side you can have on a vinyl before the quality starts to becomes compromised.
Longest disc on original Celebration album was 21:31 so another 30 secs to minute would be fine
Digital Only tracks -
- I Don't Search I Find - 4:08
- Miles Away - 3:45
(which I removed from the vinyl version as it was likely only included because it had been her latest single)
In truth we could do with some Stuart Price "Shep" style edits on some of the 90's songs for any future compilations. Secret & Human Nature in particular have a fair bit of fat / repeats towards the end even in the single edit versions and I also love the Stevie B "no instrumental bridge" version of Bad Girl at 3:55
I'm a huge fan of really concise edits as long as they're really sympathetically done.
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Though I have to say it's really hard to find a decent condition Like A Virgin 12". I don't know what it was about that run but the sleeve was so paper like they haven't lasted well at all. Every copy looks tatty.
Fixing GHV2
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Girl were you talking about number Billboard 200 #1 albums because...
Take A Bow was number 1 in the 90's.
This Used To Be My Non Song was number 1 in the 90's
Vogue was number 1 in the 90's
Justify My Love was number 1 in the 90's
and Music was number 1 at the turn of the decade and included on GHV2
So it had two US number one records on GHV2
I'll Remember & Frozen number 2
Secret & Erotica number 3
Ray Of Light number 5
Along with five other top 10's
She did just fine considering the god awful SEX backlash
If she was really pushing the HITS narrative the track listing would have looked like
but you can see how it starts to look very Something To Remember + and like a ballad salad.
Rain / Playground / You'll See excluded because of STR
Nothing Really Matters exclusion was to avoid there being five singles from it's parent album and to stop it being Ray Of Light heavy though Drowned World not being an international single was a curious choice instead.
Don't Cry For Me chosen over American Pie & Fever to avoid paying royalties on three tracks that were covers.
All the Music singles and Bedtime singles were included.
So what else was there to put on? Flop Girl her biggest commercial failure to the point?
It's probably as good as it could have been in truth
So yeah I do think GHV2 was a good compilation with a commercially smart tracklist but it absolutely suffered in fans eyes at a measly 15 tracks. 17 Would probably have appeased some fans to match Immaculate collection but 15 tracks plus no new songs. Mama really?
The truth is America was largely only here for most of her downtempos in the 90's if were to believe the charts and by that time as Fever / Bedtime Story / Human Nature / Nothing Really Matters were all flops though Madonna was ready to never release another ballad for the next decade or so.