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2 hours ago, tscott said:
So what is she singing here? Do you or someone know?
Whatever she is singing sounds so much better than how she sounded when singing The Power of Goodbye.
I was there for the entire closed set rehearsal. She performed Power of Goodbye about 32 times in a row and sounded absolutely gorgeous. The evening of the performance, her nerves got the best of her. It happens.
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It’s unsurprising that what has transpired most in the wake of this unfortunate news is that the general public’s response is another repulsive epic reflection of the times; most people seem able to muster a hint of empathy and compassion, but often with a dose of ageism and dismissal, as if this health crisis should encourage Madonna to pack it in once and for all. There’s also an overwhelming minority of people who are simply mentally ill as they revel in the notion that Madonna has been weakened significantly and therefore feel justified to engage in more vitriol and verbal violence. Madonna’s strength and tenacity have cemented her as a human punching bag; a symbolic sacrificial lamb for the neuroses of all those who see themselves aging and being cast aside by a capitalist society built on the exploitation of youth.
While I understand that we are all hungry for news updates, let’s also be mindful that thus far these sources are just absurd articles and “news” clips filled with highly speculative tabloidism masked as “expertise” from doctors and presenters who don’t read their source material well enough to get even the basic facts straight. How can a doctor who knows nothing about Madonna’s condition make comments about the viability of her tour being canceled or significantly revised?
All that said, to those who dismissed others in here for having a dramatic or selfish reaction, or for jumping to conclusions, can we also just accept that we are all human (and as human as our beloved icon) and we all love Madonna? Any reaction is okay because, as with grief, emotional shock gets processed in different ways. Guy Oseary’s statement was quite serious. The wording is open to interpretation, but in the past a Liz Rosenberg would have simply dismissed the rumors and said she had a health issue that was taken care of and that she is comfortably recovering. That is NOT what he chose to share, whether as a preemptive measure to contain the fallout of Page Six’ exploitative antics or as a way to cover up a more serious matter. At the end of the day, Guy is her manager. He has to assuage doubts and speculation as well as address and reassure the insurers, the venues, the tour staff, the fans and ticket buying public, the media, and the monstrously hateful social media set. One cannot help but speculate that this is either a very serious matter that will likely have significant professional fallout at a time when the pressure was very high on Madonna to deliver, or, as was suggested venomously by the awful Roger Friedman (and you can all send the hate my way for saying it and it isn’t my opinion…if you don’t get how devoted a Madonna fan I am by now then it really won’t matter to me if I get tarred and feathered), it is a way to garner more public sympathy for a public figure who hasn’t done much to endear herself to the masses in recent memory…and yes, at a time when she really needs those people to get onboard for a tour that is based around nostalgia.
I love Madonna more than I can possibly express and want so badly for her to be in fine form as soon as possible. In complete transparency, I have just discovered that my own mother is really unwell and we all know how those of us who grew up with Madonna have a clear psychological transference of the maternal onto her, especially gay people who struggled to be accepted as children and adolescents. It’s all hitting hard and it’s a process to come to terms with the mortality of loved ones. I’m sure Madonna will be with us for a long time to come, but the reminder of the fragility of life is one we can all come around together in celebration of this extraordinary cultural and historical figure.
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9 hours ago, Mden said:
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While acknowledging that it would be cruel to personally denigrate these two munchkin Kardashian-Jenner clones, I would rather shove chili peppers in my urethra than hear their stupid whining voices critique anything looking and talking like that. Their mother should be arrested.
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It certainly doesn’t hurt Madonna that these performers use her as a reference point, but the way I experience it is that they are both pandering and exploiting…it’s a way to cover up their own mediocrity. Because nobody can come up with a hook that makes the masses go wild anymore. I know some will cite endless reggaeton crap and nursery rhymes from Drake et al. However, I can guarantee that at least 75% of what is considered a hit nowadays will be totally forgotten with absolutely no nostalgia quotient within a decade. It’s just drivel, repetitive, unoriginal, lacking innovation, and frankly soulless.
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Fans who feel the need to perform a duty by listening to something they don’t like will be happy to learn that their listen won’t have any impact. A hit becomes a hit because it connects with the masses. As this is truly geared toward a specific audience, I think it will do its job naturally. It is a dance club song and will be a huge dance club hit. Anything better than that is beyond anyone’s control, but with this and Popular, Madonna has done her best to guarantee she reconnects with the GP, something she probably wouldn’t have been able to achieve with a solo release, no matter how close to a masterpiece it was. We may no longer get much insight into Madonna as a music industry baller, but clearly she still is.
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The album is ambitious, and mostly effective. The fact that English isn’t his first language can make some of the phrasing gauche. Interesting how Björk could almost always pull this off, but Chris often doesn’t in my opinion. Maybe the language of origin is the reason for this. Musically and conceptually, it’s a good album. Madonna sounds fantastic, but when does spoken world Madonna not totally mesmerize?
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3 minutes ago, BuggedOut said:
Wow
I don’t care for Abel, but I certainly know who he is.
I’ve never heard of this avg looking guy named Playboi lol
However she can gain more listeners is great!
To clarify, they all know who Abel is. He’s considered a legend by the hyperbolic youth of today. I’d compare it to how a casual Madonna fan in 1994 would feel about her new material while stanning for pj harvey or Björk. 😂
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Playboi Carti is actually really popular and he is probably the major lure for a lot of listeners. I watched a bunch of reaction videos on YouTube and they were mostly casual fans of The Weeknd, but all were hugely anticipatory of Carti’s return after several years. They all spoke a lot over Madonna’s verse because they were bummed that Carti’s contribution up until that point was so minimal with the loop of his “money on top of me, money on top of her”, which seemed to confirm that Madonna’s feature isn’t the highlight for mainstream listeners. All that said, it’s great that people are hearing Madonna sing again…I think a lot of younger people think Madonna is a mediocre singer because they have only heard heavily processed vocals from her in recent years, and a lot of older people think she can’t sing anymore as they write her off as old and past her prime. The sweetness and soulfulness of her vocals here might be subdued and unostentatious, but it’s a gorgeous reminder of how warm and inviting her voice can be. I think it does come down to how her vocals are recorded and produced to some degree…I am reminded of Madonna’s contribution to Annie Lennox’ Sing. I always felt her vocals sounded wrong as they didn’t match the production of Annie’s voice. To me she sounded lackluster and lost in the mix, whereas here she sounds in her element.
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This is a very well produced track. The intro is amazing! I love the synths. Her vocals are gorgeous, if a tad minimal. What a great day for the Madonna community! These both have a huge amount of potential to go big. She covered her eurofans and gayz, and her RnB vocal purists in one fell swoop! Totally unexpected!
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It take an hour to get from London to Paris. She could be there and back in one night!
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37 minutes ago, tscott said:
No, she posted an old video. Her daughters are noticeably younger in it.
I'm hoping she'll remain copper for the tour.
Oh! Yeah. Her face did look of a different time, but I don’t keep track of her daughters. I haven’t seen them much in recent memory.
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Is somebody blonde again?
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The way her knee is taped is specifically for stability of the knee cap. Usually it is applied this way for slight sprains or discomfort. I’m not worried. I also don’t think the rabbit hole she needs Ingrid for is related to her knee…
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Aside from the ethical issues, there is a total lack of authenticity to this. I understand that someone took the time to make this and that it would pique any fan’s curiosity, and I mean no disrespect to the work itself, but this is wrong on so many levels. I’d be concerned that Madonna would sue the hell out of anyone making this type of Frankenstein mess of her voice. The implications of copyright infringement, artistic license violation and revisionism are very real. Be careful!
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1 hour ago, Roland Barthes said:
I'm gonna save you time. First trans people are being killed for what they are. Killed. Not just harrassed on the internet but killed. I see what my trans friends face DAILY on Facebook, terfs trolls joining their pages and profiles to tell them they should kill themselves. So there's no absolutely no discussion there. And IRL it's less vocal, they just get killed. Killed. Like dead. It's not like they are being told they are transphobic because they have transphobic ideas and they express them then cry victim. No they are being killed. And anyone partiipating online in these discussions, saying "i'm not transphobic but..." are active actors in these killings.
Regarding plastic surgery, tattoos, sexuality, abortion, transition....: people's bodies, their choice !
People must be allowed to do whatever they want to do with their bodies. People discussing other people's bodies or personnal choices they make is their prerogative. They don't need your permission or mine, your opinion, mine or anyone's unless they ask. BUT since people keep thinking they must have a say about what perfect strangers do with their lives then they must deal with people telling them to eff off. If you can't deal with people telling you to eff off, telling you what your "opinions" are then don't make them publicly. I don't want to discuss with a terf or someone who thinks women dressing sexy deserve to be sexually harrased. There's absolutey no discussion there. They just need to be told the scum they are and if they can't deal with it, their problem.
I was not always like this, i was prejudiced too. So convince i was right and then you meet people. They are no longer an idea but your friends, your family and then you see how dangerous the world is for them. How brave they are to be who they want to be in a society that judges and puts everyone in a box when everyone wants to be unique and respected, yet most of us partiipate into limiting others in their freedoms because instead of doing the work, meaning working on ourself to understand why we are prejudiced, we'd rather judge and denigrate. I won't tand silent when limited and narrow minded people try to maintain the statu quo, to control the narrative and the world because they are scared of what does not look like them or fit in the boxes they want to trap everybody. That's what bothers me, not someone extending a truly joke beyond it's past date or people being outraged because some people deny people of what they are or wear like it's their business. That's when it becomes MY business. And i won't stand by reading phobic stuff without saying how stupid it is.
I applaud your tenacity and passion! I don’t appreciate your assumptions about my own life, your general lack of inquisitiveness, and your inability to actually read what I wrote outside of a defense. I always take the time to read your posts as you are clearly intelligent. However, your approach to communication with such intransigence makes me less inclined to want to hear your opinions. And that is all they are after all. Opinions.
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22 hours ago, chaosmen1984mk said:
The song "Intervention" is definitely dedicated to Rocco because of the motherly lyrics in it. I can't believe some people think it's dedicated to Guy.
"I got to teach him how to fly. I want to take him higher Way up like a bird in the sky" Talks about a mother's wishes to teach her son to fend for himself in life and to make him a successful man.
"Sometimes it's such a pleasure Sometimes I wanna tear it all down It's easy to be lazy And hard to go away from the crowd" Here she talks about motherhood and recognizes that sometimes she may lose patience or get carried away by a bad mood due to all that caring for a baby implies, but she also recognizes that this is nothing compared to escaping from her fans and photographers.
And the song "I deserve it" is clearly dedicated to Guy. It's not for nothing that she uses the word "guy" in almost the entire song.
Reading comprehension was my favorite course in school and I certainly see how important it is when I see so many people who don't understand things that are so obvious.
Art is open to interpretation. I don’t think reading comprehension has anything to do with how a song lyric is received. Madonna herself has been quite vocally opposed to literalism. Writing a song is rarely about one particular thing. There are layers and nuance.
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8 hours ago, Roland Barthes said:
So people making transphobic and sexist remarks on a Madonna forum does not bother you ? What bothers you is when they are called out. Well i agree with you on one thing, this forum has turned into shit with dozens of trolls (probably the same no life self hating racist guy from south america), Maga lovers, terfs and transphobics assholes and that guy who thinks women deserves to be harrassed at the gym for not covering up.
It really, really puzzles me how these people can be Madonna fans when she's a trans supporter (Vogue anyone ? Paris Is Burnng her favourite movie from 91 ?) has trans collaborators and a woman who's been criticized for undressing and wanted to bomb the white house because Trump was president then. I TRULY try to understand what Madonna these people are fans of, certainly not the Madonna or they've just nevr paid attention. And don't get me started on fans of other female artist coming here to derail the threads, making ones, to downplay what Madonna is or has done and then play victims when they are called out for their pueril schemes.
I'm not against people saying transphobic stuff, freedom of speech, but i will surely tell them they are transphobic pieces of shit whenever they do and if that is going to ban me from the forum, so be it. I'm most of the time blocking people i disagree with including that annoying truly troll because i don't make the rules here and he's free to say what IT wants in my book as long as it's not insulting and diminishing, degrading and insulting a category of people Madonna champions. But i won't shut up when i read transphobic and rape apologist stuff. I won't regret regret being being baned for it because at least i'd know what kind of place this is.
I didn’t qualify what I was referring to when I stated there was a woke brigade, but thank you for bringing attention to what you see as problematic. I am not transphobic, and I certainly wasn’t referring to anything trans-related. As trans people are an unprotected minority, I most certainly think they should feel protected and safe to be who they want to be, and celebrated by Madonna and anyone else who wants to. However, they are also a very small minority who seem to have become politicized and weaponized in the cultural narrative. This is, by no fault of their own, to the detriment of many other minorities and unprotected global citizens, and that is perhaps worthy of intelligent discussion. It doesn’t take away from their value as human beings.
As for sexism, that’s definitely an intellectual debate also worthy of exploration. Whenever I have participated in any discussion around body image, aging or plastic surgery, there is a tendency to allow a vociferous minority to decide that it is misogynistic to even acknowledge that these things exist, and have an impact on how Madonna (the primary subject of this forum) is perceived. This is the case in society at large in this current climate, and I am equally irritated by this knee jerk response in other areas of life. I am not advocating for the ability to tear Madonna, or any other person, apart through gratuitous and meaningless criticism, but I also have the intelligence to be able to observe how Madonna’s public image has evolved, how people have expressed their views on her and her legacy in recent years as she has gotten older, and how Madonna herself chooses to portray herself. Madonna is a private citizen as well as a public figure. She has always been polarizing, and her public actions are an open invitation to critique and contextualization. Unfortunately if we shut down every voice that offends our personal views, we end up with a totalitarian singularity of thought that serves no one. Those are my personal beliefs, and I expect some people to have a different opinion. I also think that on a discussion forum specifically constructed for the purpose of analyzing, celebrating and contextualizing Madonna in order to have a better understanding of her work and her cultural impact, those with different opinions should do more than seek to silence those who see life differently. Instead I’d hope that we can all explain why we see things a certain way for the sake of discussion because it’s interesting to hear everyone’s thoughts. I have friends who have been fans of Madonna for almost 40 years, and when we talk about her, we do so passionately, honestly and purposefully. We love hearing how the other experienced something in a different country, at perhaps a different age, or with different cultural conditioning. I’m not offended that someone wishes Madonna hadn’t aged or changed her hair color, her musical style, her voice, or her body. I’m fascinated by what that says about the individual, and our culture at large. That’s what I advocate for on here, and that is what my post was about.
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I’m beginning to get the impression I am reading a bunch of bots on here. It’s quite dystopian. The Madonna community seems to be wilting away. How is it possible that our discussions have become so stale? There’s the woke brigade who won’t allow anyone to say a thing that they disagree with or find offensive, then there are the trolls who render every thread unbearable to read with repetitive nonsense. I guess it’s just a sign of the times, but it truly (@teammadonna - For your language notebook…this is the correct use of the word) sucks.
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1 hour ago, Prayer said:
Scary to think it’s almost as relevant now as it was then...
Almost? I’d say it’s more relevant now than it was in 2003 considering we are on the precipice of an inevitable global war. True art is timeless. Well for as long as a civilization prevails, that is! I think the Billboard and Rolling Stone articles were a dead giveaway that the video would be uploaded. Glad to see it can finally be seen for its universal message. I think most people are anti-war at present, but as Americans we seem to always think it won’t happen on our soil. That narrative needs to be explored in the culture once again.
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16 hours ago, Fabiolous said:
She said she's writing
Writing could mean anything, but it was only meant as a floating idea that she might not be making new music. We know nothing, and so I was presenting alternatives. It is clearly more than likely that she has recorded a new album of material considering all the people she has worked with since 2019. At this rate, this is the longest we will have ever waited for a new album.
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I don’t recall Madonna ever saying that she wouldn't include any new material on her tour, and so that’s not off the table. That said, maybe she’s doing studio versions of arrangements for the tour and she decided Max would be great at putting a new pop spin on her classics?
There’s really no formula for Madonna to follow anymore. The industry has no rules, especially not for a female pop icon who is no longer young. Madonna has managed to stay modern in so many ways, but it all seems quite abstract at this point! I love the idea of her giving the public some pure pop, and personally I loved it when she gave us GMAYL! With stronger hooks and lyrical content I still believe Madonna can have a major hit.
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She’s singing in Italian. She was playing around singing opera. I don’t specifically remember her singing that nor do I recognize what the music is. It was a very long time ago! It was a dress rehearsal. Lola came with the nanny to visit at one point, and Madonna didn’t know she was there…she walked on the train of Madonna’s dress and Madonna yanked on the fabric as she thought someone had stepped on the dress. When she turned around and realized what she’d done, she spent ten minutes hugging her. I remember being shocked because Madonna sat on the edge of the stage in full costume drinking a can of Coke. I was horrified! 😂 As for her vocals, I was mesmerized by how meticulously rehearsed she was. She would hear every little detail and stop the music if she thought something was off or needed attention. Her voice was in fine form, and she gave the impression that she was supremely confident. It was strange to see how nerves affected her voice that evening. Each rehearsal take she nailed the “Do you wanna go higher” with operatic command, and then there was the performance with those unfortunate high “r”s, and a sense of the notes being forced. But I can assure you, the woman had real pipes! I was truly gobsmacked by just how good she sounded.