George Michael comments on the Britney and Christina kiss

[Starchild 3,086]

3 hours ago, Roland Barthes said:

What was he promoting then ? I stopped being interested after Older.

I know some fans were upset she did that with Britney and Xtina, i'm not fond of both them but his comment is too harsh on them, he comes from Wham which was as bad as music from the Disney Club. Wake Me Up is a stupid song. So i don't understand why someone with his cheap background could look down on younger artists trying, at that time, to break the teenage mold they were trapped into, just like he did. I really saw this as Madonna not being stuck up like her fans are, including me. To me it's really like when Miley was being vilified after the MTV awards and she guetted with her a few weeks later to support her when she was being trashed all over the media. The only collab i regret her doing is with Justin because he's a fake and dull as milk. I wish she did 4 Minutes with Michael Jackson and Dance 2nite with George Michael. 

Let me remind you that George was self-made and wrote all of those early so-called 'stupid' songs that became smash hits.

[BuggedOut 4,123]

8 minutes ago, Starchild said:

And? Cruising is not necessarily an act of 'desperation'. To think so is kind of homophobic.

There was no shame in George's game.

Anything to put Madonna down, but lift other artists up, right? 😉

Why is this so common around here? On a MADONNA fan forum, of all places. 

That’s attention desperation.

[Prayer 14,441]

1 minute ago, BuggedOut said:

But he wasn’t accurate.

Madonna was playing the groom and the Disney Kids were Madonna’s brides.

The Bride and Groom kiss.

I like how people try to make it about more than that, though.

Again, I loved (and still love) the whole performance but - would it have really happened without the "American Life" album flopping in the US? I really doubt it. Let alone a single release with Britney from an artist that had never release a single sharing the lead with another artist before, just on album tracks.

[Starchild 3,086]

2 minutes ago, BuggedOut said:

But he wasn’t accurate.

Madonna was playing the groom and the Disney Kids were Madonna’s brides.

The Bride and Groom kiss.

I like how people try to make it about more than that, though.

He was accurate.

Madonna has explained that the performance was a kind of 'passing of the baton'.

You're often so quick to judge?

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1 minute ago, Prayer said:

Again, I loved (and still love) the whole performance but - would it have really happened without the "American Life" album flopping in the US? I really doubt it. Let alone a single release with Britney from an artist that had never release a single sharing the lead with another artist before, just on album tracks.

I didn’t read that much into it at the time.

It was the 20th Anniversary of the Like a Virgin MTV performance and so they came up with an idea of Bride and Groom and it got people talking.

Madonna had been accused of doing things to get attention long before she had a low-selling album.

[Starchild 3,086]

5 minutes ago, BuggedOut said:

Anything to put Madonna down, but lift other artists up, right? 😉

Why is this so common around here? On a MADONNA fan forum, of all places. 

That’s attention desperation.

Your takes are often so off. Stop getting so defensive.

Like George, I proclaim my love for Madonna in the same breath that I might also critique her.

And this coming from the person who constantly criticises Kylie Minogue in her dedicated thread.

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2 minutes ago, Starchild said:

He was accurate.

Madonna has explained that the performance was a kind of 'passing of the baton'.

You're often so quick to judge?

Judge what?

I am only doing what you are doing; Speculating.

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1 minute ago, Starchild said:

Your takes are often so off. Stop getting so defensive.

Like George, I proclaim my love for Madonna in the same breath that I might also critique her.

And this coming from the person who constantly criticises Kylie Mingue in her dedicated thread.

Dedication thread on a MADONNA fan forum.

You won’t find me on a Kylie Minogue fan forum.

I like Kylie, I just think she is highly overrated around here.

[Starchild 3,086]

3 hours ago, TOpher said:

Really…the guy arrested for soliciting sex in a public washroom 😂😂😂

What has that got to do with this?

If you're arrested in the past, does that take away the possibility of having a credible opinion in the future?

George wasn't ashamed of his interest in public sex. Are you trying to shame him?

“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”

 

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2 minutes ago, Starchild said:

What has that got to do with this?

If you're arrested in the past, does that take away the possibility of having a credible opinion in the future?

George wasn't ashamed of his interest in public sex. Are you trying to shame him?

“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”

 

I think you are trying to shame Madonna.

Were you only expecting comments/reactions that agreed with you and George? 

[Starchild 3,086]

If you're a gay man who criticises George Michael, a symbol of our minority community, then the shame is on you.

You don't have to agree with his lifestyle, but to hold his personal and quite legal sexual interests against him is deplorable.

 

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2 minutes ago, Starchild said:

If you're a gay man who criticises George Michael, a symbol of our minority community, then the shame is on you.

You don't have to agree with his lifestyle, but to hold his personal and quite legal sexual interests against him is deplorable.

 

That’s like saying all races should agree with each other and vice versa.

I don’t agree and I love George.

[Starchild 3,086]

3 minutes ago, BuggedOut said:

I think you are trying to shame Madonna.

Were you only expecting comments/reactions that agreed with you and George? 

I wanted to share some interesting commentary by her peer about a famous performance.

I loved the performance and don't think it's regrettable but I also think George had a point.

I'm really not sure what your problem is here?

[Starchild 3,086]

21 minutes ago, BuggedOut said:

That’s like saying all races should agree with each other and vice versa.

I don’t agree and I love George.

Another bad take. I can do without those and your childish laughing emojis against each of my posts.

[BuggedOut 4,123]

2 minutes ago, Starchild said:

I wanted to share some interesting commentary by her peer about a famous performance.

I loved the performance and don't think it's regrettable but I also think George had a point.

I'm really not sure what your problem is here?

I don’t have a problem.

I was just saying that I don’t think it was desperate.

After I posted my opinion, you got defensive and went on a Kylie rant.

I enjoy your posts, I just don’t always agree.

[TOpher 901]

9 minutes ago, Starchild said:

If you're a gay man who criticises George Michael, a symbol of our minority community, then the shame is on you.

You don't have to agree with his lifestyle, but to hold his personal and quite legal sexual interests against him is deplorable.

 

I am a gay man and have absolutely no shame. Get TF over yourself. He’s not a symbol of the gay community 😂 the only reason he came out was because of the arrest. Sorry nothing to admire about the man.

[Starchild 3,086]

6 minutes ago, TOpher said:

I am a gay man and have absolutely no shame. Get TF over yourself. He’s not a symbol of the gay community 😂 the only reason he came out was because of the arrest. Sorry nothing to admire about the man.

Whether you agree or not, he certainly was one of the public symbols of our community.

Nothing to admire about this successful, talented, charitable, intelligent and proud gay man? Says it all.

By the way, George came out to family and friends years before the public arrest, so you're wrong there.

He even publicly dedicated Older, which came out before that incident, to his late boyfriend.

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5 hours ago, Blue Skies said:

I kinda agreed with George especially more so back in the day 

I see his point. It's his opinion and he's entitled.  I personally don't think it was "desperate" on Madonna's part, but I can see why people would think that.  It's easy to make that assumption if you are looking to demean Madonna or trying to prove she was losing relevance and was doing whatever to make another water cooler moment.  But as Madonna has always done, I think she does whatever fancies her, not really caring what others will say or think.  After all, she couldn't really believe that moment was going to gain her a lot of praise.  I'm sure she knew people would get uncomfortable and once again, she starts another conversation point. 

[Starchild 3,086]

22 minutes ago, TOpher said:

I am a gay man and have absolutely no shame. Get TF over yourself. He’s not a symbol of the gay community 😂 the only reason he came out was because of the arrest. Sorry nothing to admire about the man.

Also, the lack of empathy in your "the only reason he came out..." statement annoys me.

We know how difficult coming out can be, so to hold that against someone who has the added challenge of fame? Gross.

Besides, like I said, George came out to family and friends years before the public arrest.

[Blue Skies 1,307]

3 hours ago, RUADJAI said:

So... I think alot of people felt that way at the time, but looking back now it's easy to see that it was brilliant and ahead of its time.  Name another performance from that very show.... I'll wait.

There's always resistance to changes in the music industry, just look at Hall and Oats talking about how they didn't like music videos cuz they didn't wanna have to become "actors" in 1985 or whenever that was.  Having an element of shock wasn't too common at this time except for maybe Britney tearing off her clothes to a nude bodysuit a short time before this. Eminem may be another example of what was to come as far as shock value in performance, but he did it so well that people didn't even see it as shock. Being labeled homophobic and then obviously willfully participating in having Sacha Baron Cohen's bare ass plopped in his face was also a brilliant performance he just didn't do it as a musical performance. 

It wasn't long after this that Janet flashed her boob. Not brilliant, but people still remember it and talk about it. In fact the entire show was eclipsed by those 3 seconds. A star studded show reduced to a nipple. 

Flash forward to Lady Gaga and her entire career became shock. and there is a definite line in the music industry before Gaga and after Gaga when EVERY SINGLE ARTIST was doing EVERY SINGLE THING they could to shock the audience. It's not enough to just stand there and sing your hit song. You have to also do trapeze. Squirt whip cream out of your boobs. Kiss your same sex dancer. Twerk with a big foam finger. It's not enough to wear a gown, you have to wear raw meat and 75 inch heels and a blue wig. 

I think it's mostly cooled off although Sam Smith and Kim Petras and their devil performance was most likely trying to achieve this, but I think the audience is too ready for it. Shock isn't as shocking anymore. We expect it. but it all started with Madonna. Arguably with her first VMA performance when she PURPOSEFULLY rolled around on the ground and humped the floor. At the time people thought she was crazy... in time, everyone would be humping the floor with their asses out. 

The power of Madonna is that she doesn't limit herself or her brand to what has worked in the past. She sees what's happening and adapts. A lesbian kiss was being performed by that girl group, I think maybe even at the VMAS before 2003. Madonna doesn't scoff at what's being done, she says.... how can I do this but make it bigger. When she talks about the kiss she says it's part of the narrative of the performance ... She's the groom, Britney and Christina were the brides blah blah blah... bullshit, she knew exactly what she was doing. Listen to the music... if they didn't kiss at that moment what would fill those seconds? 

How would the crowd have reacted if she had come out and sang the album version of Hollywood like this:

 

 

It might also be worth noting that she hasn't performed on the VMAS since then, with the exception of the EVMAS in 2005 and her asses performance in 2021. 

 

To your point about naming another performance from that show.  Admittedly I am a Christina fan but I thought she killed later on in the evening.   But its largely forgotten about

 

 

 

[MartineX 569]

Como se fazer um cruzeiro fosse uma coisa boa, sexo em locais públicos onde outras pessoas possam estar... E não tenha que lidar com isso. Homofóbico? Really!? Sue me. 

1 hora atrás, Starchild disse:

E? Cruzeiro não é necessariamente um ato de “desespero”. Pensar assim é meio homofóbico.

Não houve vergonha no jogo de George.

 

[Blue Jean 15,323]

12 hours ago, Starchild said:

Secondly, George was entitled to his opinion, which is more credible than any of ours, given his status as her peer.

 By your logic the views of Kanye West or Britney Spears should be placed above everyone else.

[A. A. Aardvark 4,849]

4 hours ago, TOpher said:

Really…the guy arrested for soliciting sex in a public washroom 😂😂😂

U mean Sir John Gielgud ?

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/theatre-dance/news/the-night-gielgud-s-career-lay-in-ruins-ndash-and-his-cry-for-help-was-ignored-2199013.html

[MartineX 569]

I just wanna say one more thing: if it was a man doing all the stuff Madonna does, he wouldn't be considered desperate... But more like a genius, a true artist. 

 

[Starchild 3,086]

38 minutes ago, MartineX said:

I just wanna say one more thing: if it was a man doing all the stuff Madonna does, he wouldn't be considered desperate... But more like a genius, a true artist.

That's an outdated argument which doesn't stand up in 2023.

Look at the public flogging Justin Timberlake is receiving, even for his recent on-stage dressing and dance moves.

https://nypost.com/2022/06/21/fans-mock-justin-timberlake-for-awkward-hokey-pokey-dance/