Madonna's Spotify Progress

[Cyberraga 686]

On 4/2/2024 at 1:33 PM, madonnaBG said:

What about DONNA QUEEN??
She re-posted 4 Madonna demos again?! 
I am a bit confused how is this allowed?!

Let her burn in hell.

[zephyr in the sky at night 180]

On 4/13/2024 at 4:03 PM, Prayer said:

Haven't updated this in forever. So let's check.

- All Time Top 50 updated (Official, not merged):

01. Popular (The Weeknd, Playboi Carti & Madonna): 718M

02. Material Girl ("Celebration"/Digital Single Version): 426M

02. Hung Up: 412M

04. La Isla Bonita: 365M

05. Like A Prayer ("Celebration" Version): 331M

06. 4 Minutes ("Celebration"/Edit Version): 303M

07. Like A Virgin ("Like A Virgin" Album Version): 273M

08. Vogue ("Celebration"/"Immaculate" Version): 222M

09. Frozen (Sickick Remix): 165M

10. Crazy For You: 129M

11. Papa Don't Preach: 127M

12. Into The Groove: 121M

13. Holiday ("Madonna" Digital Album Edit Version): 104M

14. Like A Prayer ("Like A Prayer" Album Version): 100M

15. Bitch I'm Madonna: 98M

16. Frozen ("Ray Of Light" Album Version): 81M

17. Holiday ("Celebration"/Original Album Version): 79M

18. Music: 79M

19. Medellín: 70M

20. Me Against The Music (Britney Spears Feat. Madonna): 63M

21. Sorry ("Confessions" Album Version): 63M

22. Levitating (Dua Lipa Remix): 61M

23. Take A Bow: 57M

24. Live To Tell: 56M

25. American Pie: 55M

26. Material Girl ("Like A Virgin" Album Version): 53M

27. 4 Minutes ("Hard Candy" Album Version): 51M

28. Ray Of Light ("Ray Of Light" Album Version): 51M

29. Girl Gone Wild: 50M

30. Like A Virgin ("Celebration"/"Immaculate" Version): 50M

31. True Blue: 50M

32. The Power Of Good-Bye: 48M

33. Give It 2 Me: 47M

34. Faz Gostoso: 46M

35. Jump: 42M

36. Die Another Day: 41M

37. Express Yourself ("Celebration" Version): 41M

38. Borderline ("Celebration" Version): 39M

39. Ghosttown: 38M

40. Celebration ("Celebration" Album Version): 38M

41. Give Me All Your Luvin': 37M

42. Living For Love: 36M

43. Who's That Girl: 35M

44. Frozen ("Celebration" Extended Version): 34M

45. Don't Tell Me (Album Version): 32M

46. Open Your Heart ("Celebration"/"Immaculate" Version): 32M

47. Lucky Star ("Madonna" Album Version): 31M

48. Beautiful Stranger ("Celebration"/OST Album Version): 26M

49. Get Together: 26M

50. Vogue ("I'm Breathless" Album Edit): 25M

Curious how long it will take for Bitch I’m Madonna to hit 100M. It’s so close, and if I’m not mistaken, when that happens she’ll have at least one song from 5 different decades over 100M.

[DiegoLCL 5,160]

1 hour ago, zephyr in the sky at night said:

Curious how long it will take for Bitch I’m Madonna to hit 100M. It’s so close, and if I’m not mistaken, when that happens she’ll have at least one song from 5 different decades over 100M.

We should make a collective effort to make it reach 100M a little faster (and see 99% of the forum saying it is the worst song ever LOL)

[Bjonkers 1,595]

2 hours ago, zephyr in the sky at night said:

Curious how long it will take for Bitch I’m Madonna to hit 100M. It’s so close, and if I’m not mistaken, when that happens she’ll have at least one song from 5 different decades over 100M.

In about another 70 days/ 10 weeks. It's only doing about 23,000 streams per day, and it's about 1.5m away from the 100 million mark... so, end of June.

[zephyr in the sky at night 180]

End of June, what a way to close out Pride 🏳️‍🌈 I’ll be doing my part, always liked the song! Curious if it being the closer of the Celebration Tour helped boost it at all these last few months.
 

[f78k 5,395]

3 hours ago, zephyr in the sky at night said:

 Curious if it being the closer of the Celebration Tour helped boost it at all these last few months.
 

Not really. It has been generating an average of 20k-25k daily streams for ages now, including before the Celebration tour started. So, quite stable…

The one song that really benefited from the tour is Nothing Really Matters.

[f78k 5,395]

 

[nito84bcn 2,789]

A good article in spanish about why Madonna doesn't have better numbers on streaming platforms after showing to the world that she's still the Queen with the Rio concert:

https://elpais.com/icon/2024-05-06/madonna-contra-spotify-por-que-una-cancion-de-hombres-g-supera-a-los-clasicos-de-la-reina-del-pop-en-la-plataforma.html

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5 hours ago, nito84bcn said:

A good article in spanish about why Madonna doesn't have better numbers on streaming platforms after showing to the world that she's still the Queen with the Rio concert:

https://elpais.com/icon/2024-05-06/madonna-contra-spotify-por-que-una-cancion-de-hombres-g-supera-a-los-clasicos-de-la-reina-del-pop-en-la-plataforma.html

A bit weird that Cyndi Lauper is mentioned as someone whose numbers Madonna unfavourably compares to, which simply isn't true? The bottom line is that Madonna's numbers are good compared to most of her actual peers, and certainly the ones who are actually still alive and active.

[nito84bcn 2,789]

27 minutes ago, Debord said:

A bit weird that Cyndi Lauper is mentioned as someone whose numbers Madonna unfavourably compares to, which simply isn't true? The bottom line is that Madonna's numbers are good compared to most of her actual peers, and certainly the ones who are actually still alive and active.

True. Also I think that Madonna's hits are a lot, and her peers have only 2 or 3 hits, wich is easier to concentrate the numbers of streaming. Also Madonna has tons of remixes and even different versions of album songs, so the numbers are spread everywhere. But that's the job of her label, in case that she has one: managing better her catalog on streaming sites, and push important songs from albums instead of random compilations or remixes... It's a lot of job to do actually. 

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15 minutes ago, nito84bcn said:

True. Also I think that Madonna's hits are a lot, and her peers have only 2 or 3 hits, wich is easier to concentrate the numbers of streaming. Also Madonna has tons of remixes and even different versions of album songs, so the numbers are spread everywhere. But that's the job of her label, in case that she has one: managing better her catalog on streaming sites, and push important songs from albums instead of random compilations or remixes... It's a lot of job to do actually. 

I think her catalogue has actually been handled pretty well, in terms of getting stuff on there and not filling it with pap. In terms of playlists I don't really know but I don't really care either - obviously her streaming compares poorly to Taylor Swift, but almost everyone's does!

[Prayer 14,708]

6 hours ago, nito84bcn said:

A good article in spanish about why Madonna doesn't have better numbers on streaming platforms after showing to the world that she's still the Queen with the Rio concert:

https://elpais.com/icon/2024-05-06/madonna-contra-spotify-por-que-una-cancion-de-hombres-g-supera-a-los-clasicos-de-la-reina-del-pop-en-la-plataforma.html

That article has many wrong points, don't know exactly what they're trying to get across with it.

Madonna does have a label, she came back to Warner in 2021. She's not on her own now.

Also, the angle of her not having good numbers on Spotify... I would understand trying to do that two years ago, not now. She's doubled her monthly listeners since then and kept steady. 40M monthly listeners, for reference, if we're trying to compare, Michael Jackson is 41M at the moment and Prince 11M.

Besides, if you're really interested in telling the story, then add all the facts, as you @nito84bcnpointed out in your last post: she may not have the 1 or 2 monster figures songs, but she has more big numbers hits than the usual big names of her era. Plus, some of her numbers and divided between different versions, if they merged them it would be different.

But of course all of this is more boring to explain and to read later that a clickbait headline claiming she ruled in Rio but she's a flop on Spotify - which is completely false. But it's sad cause that's what the average folk will take from it. Journalists should know - and do - better and not try to do her dirty for a couple hundred more views, especially the day after one of her biggest accomplishments ever.

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1 minute ago, Prayer said:

That article has many wrong points, don't know exactly what they're trying to get across with it.

Madonna does have a label, she came back to Warner in 2021. She's not on her own now.

Also, the angle of her not having good numbers on Spotify... I would understand trying to do that two years ago, not now. She's doubled her monthly listeners since then and kept steady. 40M monthly listeners, for reference, if we're trying to compare, Michael Jackson is 41M at the moment and Prince 11M.

Besides, if you're really interested in telling the story, then add all the facts, as you @nito84bcnpointed out in your last post: she may not have the 1 or 2 monster figures songs, but she has more big numbers hits than the usual big names of her era. Plus, some of her numbers and divided between different version, if they merged them it would be different.

But of course all of this is more boring that a clickbait headline claiming she ruled in Rio but it's a flop on Spotify - which is completely false.

It also underlines how meaningless these numbers can be by mentioning Mariah's enormous Christmas numbers...I bet if it came down to it Mariah would rather have consistent streams across the year and an audience that could sustain a big worldwide tour than 20m listeners Jan-Nov and then an explosion for the same album.

[nito84bcn 2,789]

8 minutes ago, Prayer said:

That article has many wrong points, don't know exactly what they're trying to get across with it.

Madonna does have a label, she came back to Warner in 2021. She's not on her own now.

Also, the angle of her not having good numbers on Spotify... I would understand trying to do that two years ago, not now. She's doubled her monthly listeners since then and kept steady. 40M monthly listeners, for reference, if we're trying to compare, Michael Jackson is 41M at the moment and Prince 11M.

Besides, if you're really interested in telling the story, then add all the facts, as you @nito84bcnpointed out in your last post: she may not have the 1 or 2 monster figures songs, but she has more big numbers hits than the usual big names of her era. Plus, some of her numbers and divided between different versions, if they merged them it would be different.

But of course all of this is more boring to explain and to read later that a clickbait headline claiming she ruled in Rio but it's a flop on Spotify - which is completely false. But it's sad cause that's what the average folk will take from it. Journalists should know - and do - better and not trying to do her dirty for a couple hundred more views.

I don't think is a clickbait, in fact they are asking different experts about what's going on with her numbers. Of course they haver their own opinions, and usually us fans have more info. Also they said that numbers on streaming platforms can be tricky, praising her power to move people on real life, and comparing her to the Weeknd, who has healthy numbers on streaming but doesn't match those numbers with ticket sales...

[Prayer 14,708]

4 minutes ago, nito84bcn said:

I don't think is a clickbait, in fact they are asking different experts about what's going on with her numbers. Of course they haver their own opinions, and usually us fans have more info. Also they said that numbers on streaming platforms can be tricky, praising her power to move people on real life. 

But they're not opinions when they're claiming things as facts and are not actually true. Also, an "expert" should know Madonna's current label situation or at least do some research about it.

Again, fans will always know more, of course, but it's sad to read those kinds of articles, feels like undermining a little bit her victory in Rio. "Yeah, she can still gather people BUT...".

Just my take on it, of course I don't claim to be the right voice about it. :-)

[nito84bcn 2,789]

7 minutes ago, Prayer said:

But they're not opinions when they're claiming things as facts and are not actually true. Also, an "expert" should know Madonna's current label situation or at least do some research about it.

Again, fans will always know more, of course, but it's sad to read those kinds of articles, feels like undermining a little bit her victory in Rio. "Yeah, she can still gather people BUT...".

Just my take on it, of course I don't claim to be the right voice about it. :-)

As I said, I think it's more a complain about why she can move that huge crowd and media in real life but not on streaming, and they focus on how tricky, unfair and dark can be social media / streaming services. But yes, I agree that they should do a more extense research. In fact Like a prayer is featured on Deathpool trailer, and that's because of the Warner deal, wich they didn't know about. 

[Prayer 14,708]

All this talk made me want to update her "flop" numbers, so here we go xd

- All Time Top 50 updated (Official, not merged):

01. Popular (The Weeknd, Playboi Carti & Madonna): 756M

02. Material Girl ("Celebration"/Digital Single Version): 432M

02. Hung Up: 420M

04. La Isla Bonita: 365M

05. Like A Prayer ("Celebration" Version): 336M

06. 4 Minutes ("Celebration"/Edit Version): 308M

07. Like A Virgin ("Like A Virgin" Album Version): 277M

08. Vogue ("Celebration"/"Immaculate" Version): 225M

09. Frozen (Sickick Remix): 167M

10. Crazy For You: 131M

11. Papa Don't Preach: 129M

12. Into The Groove: 123M

13. Holiday ("Madonna" Digital Album Edit Version): 106M

14. Like A Prayer ("Like A Prayer" Album Version): 101M

15. Bitch I'm Madonna: 99M

16. Frozen ("Ray Of Light" Album Version): 82M

17. Music: 80M

18. Holiday ("Celebration"/Original Album Version): 80M

19. Medellín: 71M

20. Me Against The Music (Britney Spears Feat. Madonna): 64M

21. Sorry ("Confessions" Album Version): 64M

22. Levitating (Dua Lipa Remix): 62M

23. Take A Bow: 58M

24. Live To Tell: 57M

25. American Pie: 55M

26. Material Girl ("Like A Virgin" Album Version): 53M

27. 4 Minutes ("Hard Candy" Album Version): 52M

28. Ray Of Light ("Ray Of Light" Album Version): 51M

29. Girl Gone Wild: 51M

30. Like A Virgin ("Celebration"/"Immaculate" Version): 51M

31. True Blue: 50M

32. The Power Of Good-Bye: 49M

33. Give It 2 Me: 47M

34. Faz Gostoso: 46M

35. Jump: 43M

36. Express Yourself ("Celebration" Version): 42M

37. Die Another Day: 42M

38. Borderline ("Celebration" Version): 40M

39. Celebration ("Celebration" Album Version): 38M

40. Ghosttown: 38M

41. Give Me All Your Luvin': 37M

42. Living For Love: 36M

43. Who's That Girl: 36M

44. Frozen ("Celebration" Extended Version): 34M

45. Don't Tell Me (Album Version): 32M

46. Open Your Heart ("Celebration"/"Immaculate" Version): 32M

47. Lucky Star ("Madonna" Album Version): 32M

48. Beautiful Stranger ("Celebration"/OST Album Version): 26M

49. Get Together: 26M

50. Vogue ("I'm Breathless" Album Edit): 26M

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11 minutes ago, nito84bcn said:

As I said, I think it's more a complain about why she can move that huge crowd and media in real life but not on streaming, and they focus on how tricky, unfair and dark can be social media / streaming services. But yes, I agree that they should do a more extense research. In fact Like a prayer is featured on Deathpool trailer, and that's because of the Warner deal, wich they didn't know about. 

Do we know it's because of Warner? Didn't Material Girl's feature on Stranger Things come years before her return to Warner?

The fundamental issue with the article is one of expectations. She's a woman in her 60s, who's been around for over 40 years, making dance-pop. People need to always compare her to her actual peers for these things, not people like Taylor Swift.

[nito84bcn 2,789]

8 minutes ago, Debord said:

Do we know it's because of Warner? Didn't Material Girl's feature on Stranger Things come years before her return to Warner?

The fundamental issue with the article is one of expectations. She's a woman in her 60s, who's been around for over 40 years, making dance-pop. People need to always compare her to her actual peers for these things, not people like Taylor Swift.

They could also focus on her physical sales, wich were extremely huge on her imperial phase. I wonder how that would be translated on Spotify... 

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1 minute ago, nito84bcn said:

They could also focus on her physical sales, wich were extremely huge on her imperial phase. I wonder how that would be translated on Spotify... 

I've said it before on here but the total disconnect between how music used to be consumed and how it is now has long made me think there needs to be a pre-streaming and post-streaming era recognised by chart bodies. 'Records' like Taylor Swift filling the 'singles charts' with her entire album are just a total nonsense when that was literally impossible to do only a few years ago, and the fact that e.g. if you bought an album in the pre-streaming era it only ever counted as one sale, regardless of how many times you played it, whereas now an album keeps 'selling' cos most folk listen via streaming, underline that they're just totally different things being compared.

[Alpha 1,271]

1 hour ago, Debord said:

I've said it before on here but the total disconnect between how music used to be consumed and how it is now has long made me think there needs to be a pre-streaming and post-streaming era recognised by chart bodies. 'Records' like Taylor Swift filling the 'singles charts' with her entire album are just a total nonsense when that was literally impossible to do only a few years ago, and the fact that e.g. if you bought an album in the pre-streaming era it only ever counted as one sale, regardless of how many times you played it, whereas now an album keeps 'selling' cos most folk listen via streaming, underline that they're just totally different things being compared.

There was also that streaming farm that involved Drake, Beyonce, and Jay-Z on Tidal and of course faking numbers etc...

Rolling Stone had an article that I cant seem to find anymore but found the Spin article talking about faking numbers

https://www.spin.com/2018/05/tidal-fake-streams-kanye-beyonce-investigation-300-million/

[animalinstinct 2,076]

Some of her tracks are hitting Highest Daily Peaks on Spotify. ‘Blame it on Rio!’

From UK Mix:

Madonna's Top Songs on #Spotify (Monday):
*NP* = New all-time peak

Top songs

Popular – 1,613,064
Hung Up – 526,640 *NP excl NYE*
La Isla Bonita – 471,254
Like A Prayer – 416,371
Material Girl – 356,415
4 Minutes – 296,748
Vogue – 254,010
Like A Virgin – 249,905
Crazy For You – 169,948 *NP*
Holiday – 140,701
Papa Don't Preach – 116,125
Live To Tell – 115,437
Music – 105,605 *NP*
Into The Groove – 105,001
Frozen Sickick Remix – 102,829
Sorry – 97,466 *NP* 
Open Your Heart – 79,900
Nothing Really Matters – 78,326 *NP*
Frozen – 74,622
Sorry Blondish – 74,363
 

 

[MikeyK 728]

12 hours ago, Debord said:

A bit weird that Cyndi Lauper is mentioned as someone whose numbers Madonna unfavourably compares to, which simply isn't true? The bottom line is that Madonna's numbers are good compared to most of her actual peers, and certainly the ones who are actually still alive and active.

Two Cyndi Lauper songs get bizarrely high numbers. Girls Just Wanna Have Fun in particular has over a billion streams and does about a million a day. I’ve been saying for a while there is NO WAY those numbers are organic. She’s on Sony, which has a history of being, um, “strategic” in terms of getting maximum exposure for their artists when they want.

Someone mentioned playlisting and that definitely helps. Labels pay for optimal placement on major playlists for both new and old songs. I’m sure her two big on spotify songs are playlisted to all hell. There is a HUGE drop off in her numbers after the two big ones.

M’s numbers are def better than they were, and really nothing to scoff at. It’s interesting how some artists, like Janet Jackson for example, that were quite huge for a while, get pitiful numbers, while other peers do much better. Prince’s numbers are a bit lower than M’s. Playlisting and other label-backed tricks definitely help older artists stay in the consciousness of younger demographics.

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I can believe Girls Just Wanna Have Fun (and presumably Time After Time?) get big numbers cos they'll be on heaps and heaps of 80s playlists and they've been in loads of adverts, films etc. As others have said Madonna has so many iconic hits that it's more difficult to have that kinda focus on one or two.

[Prayer 14,708]

Cindy Lauper has three mega-hits on Spotify:

- Girls Just Wanna Have Fun: 1.111M

- Time After Time: 787M

- True Colors: 255M

All the rest of her hits are below 55M ("I Drove All Night" is 53M). Madonna has 13 songs above the +100M mark (soon 14, "Bitch I'm Madonna" is about to reach that figure too).

Playlisting (payed by the label or not) surely played a big factor for Cindy. Spotify editorial playlists are kinda on the low side at the moment (still important and key but less than 5 years ago), but they were huge in the late 10s and early 20s.

Madonna biggest hits were with Warner but she wasn't with them during playlisting explosion, so maybe that's part of the reason why her biggest numbers are not that big as others. Why would Warner bother promoting her if she wasn't their artist anymore?

When she came back to Warner in 2021 they had to play catch up somehow but results improved vastly in these years. She's in a very healthy position at the moment.