Sinéad O'Connor, SNL 1992 'WAR'

[into the erotico 978]

I was thinking on this for a long time.

In 1992 Sinéad O'Connor after singing a spirited re edition of Bob Marley's song War she just ripped off pope's John Paul II picture. Then, all hell broke loose. I remember as a kid a very distant echo of her act. She did this in order to protest about the fact that the catholic church knew and put a blanket on pedo rapists priests and their actions.

after this revolutionary act, Madonna was envious of this 'publicity' and decided to mock her protest openly my doing this:

which to me shows that all her revolutionary' talk was just that, words. She did everything to attract notoriety in the beggining of her career and then courted more fuel for controversy by releasing LAP in a well syncronised campaign by her company that led to the Pepsi fiasco. She gained millions. O' Conor was an original, a survivor. Madonna was just shalow and cheap.

I had to say that.

[kesiak 3,040]

Whatever the reasons for Madonna's misguided response, the idea that in 92/93 she was somehow "envious" of the publicity surrounding Sinead's SNL bit is laughable. 

[Donna 16,585]

At the time, the mindset the majority felt (including Madonna) was Sinead took it too far.  While we look back at it now, and think she was absolutely right to her protest, many still felt there could have been a better approach.  It's only when we have time to look back and reflect on things, we realize maybe the majority 'group think' was wrong.  Unfortunately, we still react in the same manner today on things.  In fact, it's even worse now.  Of course, the internet magnifies everything to death. 

I know Madonna criticized her for what she did, but so did everyone else.  For me, it was more about the 'presentation' of it all, that Madonna criticized, rather the actual reason behind it. To me, Madonna's point to ripping up Joey's picture is because he was the actual perpetrator, when we can't really say the same of the Pope.  Then there is the argument where people assume The Pope knew about what was going on in the Catholic Church and could have acknowledged the issue and did something about it.  

I really feel bad for Sinead because she really had a purpose to her fight.  Unfortunately, the world wasn't ready for the way she presented the protest with the ripping of the Pope's picture.

[LikeAMelody 728]

Madonna had said she didn't get ripping up a picture of a man who meant so much to others. It's like throwing everything out because of criminal activity and the cover up that had occurred within the organization that the Pope represents. Did Pope John Paul II commit crimes or deliberately cover up a crime he was aware of? If so, than it was justified. 

It's kinda like ripping up a picture of a Doctor whose a leader because crimes were committed in the medical field. 

I love Sinead and understand what she was trying to say but Madonna is not cheap and shallow. She looks at things in a very complex way that people who indulge in all or nothing thinking can not because they focus on the damage that was done to them all the time. 

I think you would be shocked how many survivors there really are and who their abusers were. 

 

 

[proxy 2,576]

43 minutes ago, into the erotico said:

O' Conor was an original, a survivor. Madonna was just shalow and cheap.

Bitch go somwhere esle with this toxic bullshit and negativity, Madonna didn't mock Sinead, she disagree with her about ripping off picture of JPII, Madonna said there was other way's to protest, that's all. I think you should be banned from this forum for spreading bullshit and hate toward Madonna!!! 

[RUADJAI 15,044]

Yeah... Looking back to the past, I think it's easy to create a narrative that Madonna was making fun or whatever...  that's the danger of making judgments when looking back from your standpoint in the very different future. I think Madonna was perhaps trying to bring the heat down (on Sinead) a bit and show her inner comedian by referencing the two things people were talking about that month. Had Madonna tackled the issue of rape in the church herself she likely would have done it in a different, more elegant way perhaps... but maybe not. Madonna was probably just excited that she wasn't the punching bag for a second (after releasing Erotica/SEX) and thought she could win back America with humor. She was also one of the only people actively going through her own backlash at the time. So also, maybe her intentions were skewed a bit and shouldn't be judged so harshly. Again... this is the danger of looking back with black and white expectations when life is complicated. 

[DiegoLCL 5,110]

55 minutes ago, into the erotico said:

. She did everything to attract notoriety in the beggining of her career and then courted more fuel for controversy by releasing LAP in a well syncronised campaign by her company that led to the Pepsi fiasco. She gained millions. O' Conor was an original, a survivor. Madonna was just shalow and cheap.

I had to say that.

I... 

It sounds like you have a lot of anger and mixed feelings towards Madonna for "reasons". You should take some time and figure out what the hell this is before opening a topic with your "facts". (Let alone the fact that a woman's death triggered you to throw Madonna hate, I MEAN-).

[Blue Jean 15,312]

While I don’t agree with what Madonna said at that time I think as others have said this was a very long time ago. It’s very likely Madonna thinks differently about this now.

It is also very easy for us to judge this situation in hindsight. In reality, Madonna’s views echoed the wide majority of the media and public at that time. It’s not like Madonna was the one person jumping on Sinead and criticizing her. What she said was general consensus. Views have changed a lot since then. To give Madonna a hard time about it now is a bit silly. It’s one of the very rare situations Madonna didn’t defend the underdog.

[proxy 2,576]

Imagine saying that Madonna, that was a victim of a rape herself, that literally make it on her own in NY, a woman that is constantly bullying by media and as we can see by some of her "fans", is not a survivor, like wtf  

[madgefan 10,152]

I've had this conversation with myself for many years but never dared to think Madonna's way to attract notoriety was shallow or cheap. Madonna's a very smart person... but that doesn't mean she can't fuck it up from time to time. She's a human being after all.

Anyway, SNL has never been a serious show either so why holding it against Madonna after so many years. She's learnt to embrace and support other female peers in the last couple of decades.

Finally, Madonna paid homage both to Prince and Sinéad when she sang Nothing Compares 2 U in 2016... Although she did keep the original lyrics intact, we all know the instrumentation and backdrop were based on Sinéad's output.

 

[Blue Jean 15,312]

That was tribute to Prince. Nothing to do with Sinead.

[Blue Jean 15,312]

Also there was nothing shallow about the Like a Prayer video. Reading this thread I wonder if some fans have even seen it. 

[Blue Jean 15,312]

Another thing too… did we not already have this thread 6 months ago?

[madgefan 10,152]

2 minutes ago, Blue Jean said:

That was tribute to Prince. Nothing to do with Sinead.

Have you ever seen the Nothing Compares 2 U video? 

[Blue Jean 15,312]

1 minute ago, madgefan said:

Have you ever seen the Nothing Compares 2 U video? 

Yes…. Madonna wasn’t bald in the performance ? 

[madgefan 10,152]

Just now, Blue Jean said:

Yes…. Madonna wasn’t bald in the performance ? 

What a stupid remark. Have a good day!

[deathproof 10,620]

1 hour ago, kesiak said:

Whatever the reasons for Madonna's misguided response, the idea that in 92/93 she was somehow "envious" of the publicity surrounding Sinead's SNL bit is laughable. 

THANKYOU! While Madonna's response hasn't aged well, it was poking fun more at Joey Buttafuoco than Sinead. Mind you, there was a 4 month gap between the 2 performances.

[Champ 375]

Maybe Madonna was just having some fun. It was SNL, after all. A little light-hearted humor.  Sinéad's performance, Madonna's performance, both performances as they are performers.

[lalalagirl 41]

1 hour ago, into the erotico said:

I was thinking on this for a long time.

In 1992 Sinéad O'Connor after singing a spirited re edition of Bob Marley's song War she just ripped off pope's John Paul II picture. Then, all hell broke loose. I remember as a kid a very distant echo of her act. She did this in order to protest about the fact that the catholic church knew and put a blanket on pedo rapists priests and their actions.

after this revolutionary act, Madonna was envious of this 'publicity' and decided to mock her protest openly my doing this:

which to me shows that all her revolutionary' talk was just that, words. She did everything to attract notoriety in the beggining of her career and then courted more fuel for controversy by releasing LAP in a well syncronised campaign by her company that led to the Pepsi fiasco. She gained millions. O' Conor was an original, a survivor. Madonna was just shalow and cheap.

I had to say that.

And you dare to say all of this hatred and full on lies weeks after we almost lost her?

you should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[A. A. Aardvark 4,847]

i'll just say
dixie chicks 
or
or
yes Madge joined in
so what ?

is this some battle of the divas 
aaaand you win 'coz she dead ?

lou reed liked her
apparently
but 
now
EVERYONE DOES.......

[PlayPause 2,688]

4 hours ago, into the erotico said:

I was thinking on this for a long time.

In 1992 Sinéad O'Connor after singing a spirited re edition of Bob Marley's song War she just ripped off pope's John Paul II picture. Then, all hell broke loose. I remember as a kid a very distant echo of her act. She did this in order to protest about the fact that the catholic church knew and put a blanket on pedo rapists priests and their actions.

after this revolutionary act, Madonna was envious of this 'publicity' and decided to mock her protest openly my doing this:

which to me shows that all her revolutionary' talk was just that, words. She did everything to attract notoriety in the beggining of her career and then courted more fuel for controversy by releasing LAP in a well syncronised campaign by her company that led to the Pepsi fiasco. She gained millions. O' Conor was an original, a survivor. Madonna was just shalow and cheap.

I had to say that.

No she wasn't.

Madonna wasn't going after Sinead. There's already been a discussion about this on this forum. We need to find it because it made perfectly clear as why this M skit in the context had much more meaning than what you think.

That's very wrong.

And it's very sad for Sinead that the only way you would think of her is finding a way to bring M down in the process.

[Honey Little 4,009]

5 hours ago, proxy said:

Bitch go somwhere esle with this toxic bullshit and negativity, Madonna didn't mock Sinead, she disagree with her about ripping off picture of JPII, Madonna said there was other way's to protest, that's all. I think you should be banned from this forum for spreading bullshit and hate toward Madonna!!! 

Agree with everything you said. Sinhead did nothing revolutionary unless being reductive and reactive is considered revolutionary these days.

 

edit: I don’t believe in banning anyone necessarily. And I respect that many people like that singer and think that she’s revolutionary. - It’s only my own opinion that while Sinhead was on this earth that her commercial releases and appearances were quite vapid, reductive and reactive and very much non-revolutionary. It doesn’t mean that my opinion is the end-all truth. It’s just an opinion limited my my own experience in this world. May Sinhead’s soul elevate higher and higher and higher. Love and light to her and her fans.

[Would You Like To Try 8,355]

I don't know why someone would think to do this thread.Both women are unique and good.No need to throw hate

Please reconsider your reason why you made this thread

[Would You Like To Try 8,355]

4 hours ago, proxy said:

Imagine saying that Madonna, that was a victim of a rape herself, that literally make it on her own in NY, a woman that is constantly bullying by media and as we can see by some of her "fans", is not a survivor, like wtf  

Agreed

The whole thread should be locked

This user is bringing unnecessary problem into things that don't need it 

[Prayer 14,419]

I always saw Madonna's response more like a way of supporting Sinéad in M's own quirky and ironic way than making fun of her. Like saying to people "it's not that deep, get over it". Her reaction to Janet's nipplegate was similar, like "it's not that important, get over it".

Also, could be part of an already written SNL script and Madonna just went with it.

It's been 30 years anyway. People change. And we all make mistakes or things that we would do different now.